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Monday, April 6, 2015

Why I Am Not a Feminist

The media made a big deal about Taylor Swift being a feminist. In an effort to prove that it wasn't a big deal, she said "I just think men and women should be equal." Don't you? 

Well, maybe we're asking the wrong question.
First of all, what is feminism? Taylor Swift actually quoted the Mirriam-Webster definition:

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Sounds great. But let me explain the weird underlying problem with that statement.

The concept of equality as defined by feminism carries very specific assumptions. Feminist theory is derived from conflict theory. Karl Marx, the father of conflict theory, believed that the inherent nature of society was about competition. Society existed as a means for various groups to compete for scarce resources. That's why we're together - to see who can get ahead, who can climb the ladder, who can win the game. It's based on the assumption that everyone is fundamentally motivated by self-interest.

If conflict theory/feminism is your paradigm, your main concern will be things like equality, fairness, rights, and a "level playing field" (an apt metaphor). If it's all about the competition, then naturally ANY differentiation between groups means there is inequality, or at least the potential for inequality (which is why everyone lines up at the same starting line, uses the same sized bowling pins, etc.).

If you're mainly concerned with equality and fairness between the sexes, chances are good you are a feminist.

I am not.

What? Are you saying we should be unequal? oppressed? marginalized? No. I'm saying that I don't think feminism is the solution, for four reasons:

#1 - I have a problem with the framework of competition.

Feminism adapts Marx's conflict theory by taking his idea that society is all about "bourgeouis vs proletariat" to society being all about "men vs. women" Once that becomes our framework, it's easy to start measuring who is "winning", who has the "power", and who is "oppressing" the "victim" -- all terms laden with values and assumptions. Without ignoring all of the terrible crimes that have been committed throughout history against women, I don't think that viewing men and women as competing groups is a particularly helpful way to view the world. And, considering the fundamentally cooperative natures of our biological designs (ahem, procreation), one could even argue that God doesn't think it's particularly helpful either.

Think of this argument in terms of our relationships: how much time and effort should we spend worrying about whether everything is equal between ourselves and our significant other? Do we keep score? Count the number of chores done, or money contributed, or loving gestures made by each partner? That sounds terrible to me! Even if the idea of equality sounds good, the framework of competition or comparison which is required to defend the notion of equality is inherently damaging to relationships. And if it is damaging to a marriage, it is damaging to all of society.

Feminism and conflict theory divide people into two teams. It assumes that we're inherently pitted against each other in order to reach our goals.

But do you see the inherently unnecessary construct there? It divides PEOPLE into two teams. Why don't we instead develop a theory where the two teams are us (all people) against bad situations? Against bad institutions? Bad ideas and laws? Unhelpful norms, values, and traditions? What if we assume that all of us were on the same team to fight injustice? Then maybe unity, instead of equality, would become our target goal. When our focus is equality between individuals, we unconsciously frame others as our adversaries, even if we are trying to play fair.

The father of sociology, Emile Durkheim, saw society as all members of the same team. He referred to society as a machine, or a body - I'm a hand, you're an eye, he's a heart, and we all play important but distinct roles that cooperate with each other to create society (he called this framework "functionalism").  If functionalism is how you view the world, does it particularly matter whether the hand and the eye are "equal"? Not really. It's not that we promote inequality, it's just that the concepts of equality and inequality in a functionalist framework aren't particularly relevant. Instead, he asked questions like: Is every part functional? Is everyone useful? Is everyone integrated and happy? Is everyone using their own unique skills to contribute to the whole?

Functionalism may not be your paradigm, but I hope this demonstrates a point. The framework, or metaphor, that we use to explain society and our roles within it, is not set in stone. Feminism is not the only framework for understanding society, or defending womanhood.

I don't know all the answers about gender issues, but as a Christian I don't believe that conflict theory is a particularly helpful way to look at things. In the scriptures Christ says, "He that hath the spirit of contention is not of me." Whether we (as Taylor said it) "hate men" or not, the fundamental assumption that all individuals and groups are selfish and that this is all a big fight I believe causes more problems than it solves. Competition creates the assumption of a zero-sum proposition. One of us has to lose in order for the other to win, and therefore every other person outside of my group (gender, race, religion, etc.) is also my adversary.

Doesn't that just SOUND terrible?

So - to return to Taylor Swift, if asked "do you think men and women should be equal?" I might respond by saying, well, yes, but we're asking the wrong question. A better question might be "do you think men and women should be unified?" I can't focus on being my best self if I am focused on comparing my group to some other group. Furthermore, if I'm focused on who has more, who is further ahead, and who is doing better, especially in family relationships, we all lose. I can't rejoice in or be a part of the success of others, because if they do better, I am doing worse by comparison.


#2 - My second reason for not being a feminist is because the I believe the premise of feminism destroys our ability to objectively view and appreciate our distinct natures as men and women. Classic feminism is based on gender theory, which holds that any differentiation between men and women creates inequality - As demonstrated in Brown vs. Board of Education, where it was established that separate but equal is unequal (in regards to race). In other words: if we want to be equal, we must demonstrate that men and women are inherently the same. Sure, some will acknowledge, there are a few reproductive differences, but other than that we are basically the same and should therefore be treated the same. The premise holds that men and women are not apples and oranges - we are both pears.

Feminism: men and women are both pears

Believing that men and women are both pears helps in some ways - if we are pretty much the same, we can be side-by-side "compeared" (ha ha). We can sit in coed classrooms, benefit from the same learning activities, be evaluated by the same rubric. We can work in the same positions for the same pay, be given the same consideration for raises and promotions, participate together in any sport or activity, and receive all of the same legal considerations and benefits. We like that. 

But what if we're wrong? What if gender is not like race at all? What if men and women are just as different as we are alike? This is the constant debate of most books on gender - on the one side you have those who fight for similarity ("The Gender Myth", "Delusions of Gender") and on the other side you have those fighting for distinctness ("The Female Brain", "How to Raise a Son", "Why Gender Matters").

The argument against the pear perspective is that problems often arise when we pretend that gender differences don't exist, or that the differences are irrelevant. Most observed differences between boys and girls are slight - plotted, they look like two bell curves that mostly overlap. But where those differences exist, they should be taken into consideration (like the developmental differences between a 5 year-old and 8 year-old, for example). Boys and girls are different in shocking numbers of ways. They develop different brain structure and functioning, different hormonal reactions to events and medication and other people, different physical and emotional proclivities to certain skills and characteristics; they even process seeing and hearing differently. 

When we expect the same performance from girls and boys in every field (pretending everyone is a pear), the comparison hurts both sides. We either develop inferiority or superiority complexes, depending on the characteristic: one boy doesn't read as early as his sister did, or the girls don't run as fast as the boys in track. One area where we seem comfortable with these differences is in gymnastics, where men and women compete in completely different events based on physical strengths (pommel horse for men vs. balancing beam for women), but studies have shown that the differences go much deeper than just one's center of gravity and muscle mass. It is possible that apples and oranges are a better analogy after all.

After teaching classes on gender and reading a number of books on either side, I am still undecided about whether the differences between men and women are primarily social or biological, but I can say this: if our system of government or society DEPENDS on the answer to this question, then we are in big trouble! There is simply no way to ethically prove "nature or nurture" - or whether the answer is some combination of the two.

So here's the good news: we don't have to make that decision. It doesn't fundamentally matter where gender differences comes from. As long as there ARE measurable differences between men and women, boys and girls, male and female fetuses, we must have a social system that can view these differences with respect, and find value in both sets of characteristics. That means we should not freak out when we discover there are more male engineers or female English teachers, nor should we slam anyone who claims the situation is "sexist", nor rush to assign blame, nor hide behind notable exceptions (prominent female athletes, sensitive men, etc.). Recalling my earlier point about rejecting the comparison paradigm, we CAN appreciate these characteristics individually without comparing them. We can all just chill out.

It is possible that in general girls are biologically prone to be more nurturing. It could be that girls are more taught to be nurturing. It's possible that girls simply tend to fulfill more nurturing roles in society. It doesn't matter - we just need to agree as a society that being nurturing is a good characteristic to have. And, in fact, that all characteristics that tend to be attributed to women - being humble, nurturing, compassionate, cooperative - are just as important and valuable as their masculine counterparts, such as being strong, confident, assertive, and analytical. (see my article on the power of vulnerability here). If we truly value all of these characteristics, we shouldn't feel upset by or feel an obligation to change the fact that women and men demonstrate different strengths or proclivities. If we're willing to look outside of feminism and see men and women on the same team instead of opposing teams, different strengths can be seen as complementary and not threatening.

At this point, someone will likely say something like, "But Kindra, shouldn't we be encouraging boys to be nurturing too? Shouldn't girls learn to be confident and assertive?" Absolutely. We begin with the premise that God wants us ALL to develop ALL good characteristics - but if we don't acknowledge the fact that men and women come with certain predispositions that tend to be correlated with our gender, then we end up becoming angry at each other and ourselves for not being "naturally" good at certain things. 

Another example: Because of differences in how and where men and women experience sexual arousal in the brain, it is probably easier for women to control their sexual feelings. Men's sex drive seems centered in the hypothalamus, which regulates appetite, and women's sex drive lights up in the frontal cortex, which process higher thought like judgment and memory. If we've decided we're both pears, and so we ignore this difference, we women can get really angry at men when they're distracted by scantily clad women. Alternatively, men who don't understand how women view sex differently than they do may be more prone to sexual violence and rape, believing in a twisted way that since they themselves would enjoy being treated that way, women secretly must like it too. 

One more way in which ignoring gender differences hurt us both: If you look at hormonal responses to danger, men tend to release testosterone, which feels good - they get a rush! By comparison, women in dangerous or risky situations release hormones that make us feel nauseous. If we're thinking everyone's a pear, women think of men as inherently irresponsible, and men will think women are just wusses because they are less prone to taking risks, and think of them as mentally weak. Different strengths and weaknesses are merely that: different.  It is a feminist perspective that demands a hierarchy.

#3 - The third reason I am not a feminist is because feminism condemns and fights against the existence of gender roles and stereotypes. It is simply unrealistic to demand or even expect the elimination of all gender roles in society. I think we have this idea in our mind that a perfect society would have all husbands and wives both working and caring for children in equal amounts, or at least having an equal number of stay-at-home moms and dads. But what if that's not what we want? If you're a feminist, and your priority is to eliminate inequality by eliminating differences, then you end up condemning a lot of people for making any life decisions that feed into gender stereotypes. Most women do want to have children, for example, and work only part time if at all. If we eliminated all legal and social restrictions so that men and women could make whatever choices they wanted to, it's possible that we would still make different choices, regardless of whether our strengths and preferences are inherently biological or social. Are we okay with that? 

It is possible that women would rather teach than be engineers. It is possible that when offered great maternity benefits from their high-paying career, women will want to give it up anyway and stay home to raise children, because of an overwhelming sense of love and connection and commitment to care for those children. Are we really going to call that internalized sexism? Or can we admit that teachers and engineers are both important; and that having a cool job and raising kids are both valuable contributions to society? I'm fine with expanding opportunities - but I also insist that we grant men and women the freedom to choose their own route to happiness, even if we do end up with more stay-at-home moms and more male engineers.

#4 - Feminism squashes the beauty and unique significance of womanhood. Here's an uncomfortable juxtaposition: If we're equal, as feminists demand, can we also be special? Would we rather have equal rights, like equal pay, or would we prefer special rights, like maternity benefits? This debate goes back to the Seneca Falls convention. Some modern feminists claim that while their focus is on equality, feminism is also about recognizing the role of women in society - that a woman's perspective is important and unique, and that events, legislation, and literature needs to be viewed in terms of how they influence women specifically. But do you see the inherent contradiction in that position? That is an apples and orange perspective! That says that a woman's viewpoints needs to be considered because it IS different and special, and therefore women and men are NOT interchangeable.

(As a side note, I do very much believe in the modern feminist idea that a woman's perspective is unique and important. If that's your definition of feminism, ignore the title of this post and count me in. But you must also recognize that the natural companion of that perspective is a belief in the inherent difference between men and women, and that gender is not entirely a social construct. Most feminists won't go there with me) 

As I mentioned in an earlier blog post with regards to race - we cannot decide that gender is both special and irrelevant. Being a woman either makes you special - and gives you special characteristics, roles, responsibilities, which may influence the way you behave and the way you are treated - or it must be irrelevant. 

First of all, as a daughter of God, I am proud of being a woman, and I do believe that gender is a critical part of my identity. Secondly - and without going too far on this tangent - I also believe that eliminating gender in an effort to make society all-inclusive has led to a sense of universal directionlessness. If there's nothing special about being a man, then there's nothing society expects of you because of that. You are never taught any special regard for women or womanhood. There's nothing about your identity as a man that you're taught to value or treasure, or gifts you're taught to recognize in yourself. If there's nothing special about you as a man or as a woman, then there's nothing special that you need to do.

I think enough social research has demonstrated that, despite popular opinion, people are HAPPIER and MORE SUCCESSFUL when they are given clear roles, responsibilities, and expectations. Even though kids complain about it, children of permissive parents (high on love, low on rules and expectations) turn out to be the least happy of any other parenting styles. 


You can never meet expectations that don't exist, and more often than not, for men, when expectations are not placed on them, they make few expectations of themselves. For women, when expectations are not placed on them, they make unlimited expectations of themselves. I know that a lot of people don't fit traditional gender expectations, but eliminating them entirely cannot be the answer. No one is likely to experience success or happiness under these conditions. 

I believe God has a plan for his sons and daughters, and he has specific work for us to accomplish in this life BECAUSE OF, not in spite of, our similarities and differences. I do believe that men and women are meant to be seen as complementary, not competitive, sexes. The essential framework of feminism abolishes strengths, magnifies weaknesses, pits husbands and wives against each other, condemns us for our natural desires, and eliminates the unique male and female qualities that add vibrancy, complexity, strength and beauty to society. I hope we will eventually get sick of comparing pears and choose a social framework that allows us as men and women to be as distinct and yet equally beautiful as apples and oranges. When we recognize gender as an important part of human development and identity, we will cultivate greater love and respect for ourselves and others, and we will hopefully put more effort into making society a cooperative venture instead of a competitive one.

18 comments:

  1. Karl Marx was a communist who supported collectivism, not a capitalist in support of competition. He did write about capitalism a lot, because he was diametrically opposed to it.

    Feminism neither claims that women and men are a like in every single way, nor does it discourage women from fulfilling roles traditional to their gender if they so choose. Feminism does fight against sexist stereotypes against both men and women and opposes the idea that men and women should have different rights and be limited to certain careers because of their gender.

    To so severely misrepresent both the economic theory of Marx and feminism demonstrates either a complete ignorance of what both ideologies are and everything they fundamentally stand for, or severe and utter dishonesty.

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    1. I've never heard anyone that had an accurate or concise definition of feminism - surely you can't disregard the points the author is making for that reason alone. Additionally, the author didn't discuss anyone's "economic" theory - she said "conflict theory" and it just so happens that Marx was the father of that. Seriously, do [ctrl] [F] and search for the word "economic" - you're the first person to mention it.

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  3. I'm not sure how to reply to your claim that even though the author's claims feminism are wrong, they shouldn't be disregarded simply because her claims about feminism are wrong. Especially since defining feminism as equal rights and opportunities regardless of gender is something I agree with the author on and was not what I took issue with.

    I agree that feminism is a diverse term that covers a variety of intersectional movements, but this doesn't mean any attempt at defining the word itself is pointless. It certainly doesn't mean someone can claim false and unsubstantiated things about feminism itself, nor does it make these claims true.

    Recently I collaborated with several feminist authors, thinkers and activists to create a pamphlet elaborating on Socialist Feminism. That is, defining it, explaining what it is, and why it is important to both men and women alike. (see under 'Socialist Feminism': http://socialistparty-usa.net/literature.html)

    "Socialist feminism is a collective movement for the liberation of all sexes and genders from restrictive gender roles and towards an egalitarian non-hierarchical society."

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    1. Hi - Stephanie, I believe. Thanks for reading. I agree that defining our terms is important. Again, if your definition of feminism or feminist theory is different than mine, you're welcome to ignore this post and the arguments I make. Choose whatever name you use that captures the spirit of the theory I outline, and go from there.

      Marx supported collectivism - as do I - but he began with the assumption that society wasn't already like that. In other words, he believed that we needed to actively overthrow the groups in power in order to build a society based on cooperation. He assumes that anyone with greater power will use that power to exploit those with less - hence the need to abolish private property.

      I would submit that, while we can certainly find evidence for that viewpoint, there are also people who use their power to benefit others. And the freedom to use one's private property to benefit another, as opposed to being forced into it, fosters brotherhood and gratitude instead of resentment and entitlement. That freedom can also, as you are well aware, lead to greater inequality.

      I appreciate your definition of socialist feminism. I recognize many of the reasons for such a movement. I also believe that gender roles today, especially for men, are too restrictive. But I also think that having gender roles in society is not a big deal. I too would like an egalitarian society, where all individuals are treated and valued equally. I think where we differ is our opinions of how such a society is to be created.

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  4. Indeed, economics, aka “A social science that studies how individuals, governments, firms and nations make choices on allocating scarce resources”(1) was not mentioned by Kindra by name. Then again, neither was Marxism. But in defining conflict theory in her own words, she says it is: “means for various groups to compete for scarce resources”. I don’t think it is any great leap to connect this to economics, as it is a working definition of economics itself. And of course, Karl Marx is one of the best known economists the world, and his economic theories (including conflict theory) are what he is most known for. Conflict theory is also known as ‘economic conflict theory’ and was elaborated by Karl Marx in ‘A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy’, an economics essay (2). Note the term ‘political economists’ would be replaced by simply ‘economists’ in the 19th century (3). Even when omitting all economic sources and sticking to only sociology sources, I was unable to find any definition or description of Marx’s conflict theory that doesn’t mention explicitly that conflict theory is primary (if not solely) an economic theory examining the oppression of the working class by economic means. (4)(5)(6)(7)

    Source 1:
    http://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/economics.asp#ixzz3WasFZzAW
    Source 2:
    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1859/critique-pol-economy/
    Source 3:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_economy
    Source 4:
    http://sociology.about.com/od/Sociological-Theory/a/Conflict-Theory.htm
    Source 5:
    http://www.sociologyguide.com/social-stratification/Conflict-Theories.php
    Source 6:
    “(American Sociologists) expanded Marx's idea that the key conflict in society was strictly economic.”
    http://www.cliffsnotes.com/sciences/sociology/the-sociological-perspective/three-major-perspectives-in-sociology
    Source 7:
    https://www.boundless.com/sociology/textbooks/boundless-sociology-textbook/global-stratification-and-inequality-8/sociological-theories-and-global-inequality-72/the-conflict-perspective-class-conflict-and-scarce-resources-422-510/

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    1. By the way, I also agree about the economics statement - conflict theory is first and foremost about economics, and it has since between applied to other forms of capital and power. As I mentioned in the post, feminism applies the same concepts of rich vs. poor to men vs. women.

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  5. There are so many things that are false about your underlying ideas about feminism. Your statement, " It is a feminist perspective that demands a hierarchy," absolutely boggles my mind. Have you read the bible? Patriarchy sets up an extremely clear gender hierarchy, placing men at the head of women, telling women that their salvation is dependent upon obeying their husband who is to be their head, and ultimately their lord. And we can see the ubiquitous evil caused by this view of the sexes from human trafficking to Sharia law to the media's portrayal of women as sexual play things. I believe there may be some inherent biological differences between the sexes, but there are also inherent biological differences that exist between two people of the same sex. Focusing on our differences divides us. And believing that my sex means that I have to be x,y,z causes me to be limited in expressing myself authentically and reaching my full potential. Gender stereotypes divide us into rigid little boxes that nobody fits in.
    You say that even with all other factors equal, women may just want to choose lower paying jobs and childcare. I suppose that is a possibility, but we certainly can't know because we a nowhere near having all other factors equal. Regardless, I am a feminist, and I would fully support a man or woman who chose to make whatever life decision, as long as they did so without the coercion of societal gender expectations.
    All of that aside, you cannot be an American woman, enjoying the privileges you do, and disdain the generations of women who fought to give you your rights. It's like being against car ownership and driving to work everyday. If you can vote, thank a feminist. If you can own property, thank a feminist. If you can go to college, prosecute your rapist, make your own reproductive choices, leave your abusive husband, and choose who to marry, thank a feminist. Not doing so just makes you sound ungrateful if not outright ignorant. And if you believe that these things ought not to be, in order to preserve some idea of divine, inspired gender differences, then you have a deeply different idea of what a just and loving God looks like

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    1. Hi Abigayle - This is was posted a long time ago, and so you may never read my response. Here it is anyway:
      The perspective of feminism demands that we view relationships through a hierarchy. I don't think that not being a feminist means I don't acknowledge terrible treatment of women in history. Lots of groups have been treated terribly. The difference is, I believe the solution to that is to teach a cooperative framework, not a framework that demands a "you vs. us" perspective but just makes things more fair. A fair fight is still a fight, and I choose not to see society that way. For me (a symbolic interactionist) - it's about the values we share. If men (and women) agreed in the past that women were inherently inferior creatures, that's a value that needs to change. And it changes as we begin to stand up for ourselves, insist on opportunities, and succeed in them. The concept of women's inferiority then eventually becomes null and void. Does that make sense? Focus on changing the shared understanding, the shared values, the shared assumptions - not on tearing down a socially constructed hierarchy.

      You say that focusing on our differences divides us. I generally agree. Let's not worry about whether they are similar or different. Let's just focus on women, and focus on men, and just make sure that both conversations happen. Much of the needs, strengths, joys and weaknesses will be similar. And some will be different. And it doesn't really matter how much. How much time do you spend thinking about the similarities or differences between your eye and your hand? I'm guessing none - because the comparison doesn't matter.

      Finally, to address your chastisement about not being grateful for feminists: I am so grateful for the right to vote, and own property, etc. I don't think you need to agree with the framework of someone's beliefs in order to agree with their actions. If you like America, thank a slave owner. If you're grateful for the bill of rights, thank a man. If you're grateful for animal conservation, social efforts to prevent smoking, and numerous medical advances, thank a nazi. I think most of the women who pioneered these advances for women would be ashamed at the definition of feminism as used today.

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  6. I teach a university level course on sex, gender, and family, and this post was brought to my attention by a student. The following was my response:

    So the poster opens up by talking about the two sociological perspectives of conflict theory and functionalism. She broadly defines them, and I don't really disagree with her descriptions. Feminism WAS borne from conflict theory, but what she doesn't say is A) actually, a critique of hierarchy is at the heart of feminism, not so much to create a new hierarchy where women are on top but to simply get rid of hierarchies all together as - to be glib about it - something men are into, and that a hypothetical matriarchal society would not be so deeply enmeshed in using hierarchies as a way to organize life and B) the notion of "society is all about men and women, these two binary camps, and being a man or a woman is ultimately the most important identity category you belong to (The "Doesn't that just sound terrible?" paragraph) is something that 60s feminism would have a problem with, but she's ignoring the history of feminism since then, where women of color, poor women, women of the 3rd world have stood up, said "I'm a woman, but I'm these other things as well and those things are important to me and I'm not just going to sublimate everything for the cause of women" and feminism has been forced to deal with them. As a result, the feminism of today has a much more complicated and complex notion of power and relationships, etc, not this reductive "Me Women, You Man, Down with Men" idea she's putting forth.

    In terms of functionalism, she's describing it using the same human body metaphor that I used in class, which is accurate and functionalism can describe a lot of the ways society operates. But the problem with functionalism is that it's blind of the operation of power, the idea that the "heart" maybe doesn't WANT to be a heart, and then does that mean it can be other things, or should be forced it by stigma and pressure into its role. Sure, some women want to be homemakers and moms and gain their status, self-worth, and sense of identity from that, but what about the women that DON'T want to do that? A century ago those women would be seen as frigid, as spinsters, as whores, their families and communities would have not supported their choices and made that abundantly clear to them, setting aside the effect of power and normativity on what choices they would even want to make in the first place. Now women can do what they want, they don't have to be those roles. And these days, perhaps it's opening up so men don't have to be what they feel THEY have to be, in terms of breadwinning/emotionally guarded/violent, etc. But if we're functionalists, then it's like "The heart wants to be the lungs now? You want to be a heart today and then a pancreas tomorrow? Chaos!" But it's a chaos we have to deal with if we want to give people autonomy, if we want people to not feel like their genitals are their destiny.

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    1. I'm sorry I haven't reviewed this post for a long time. Thank you for your comment. A few thoughts in response:

      I acknowledge that the concept of feminism has evolved since the 1960s. In fact, I would argue that virtually any position involving womanhood finds a way to call themselves "feminist", regardless of whether they share the same underlying assumptions. At UNC Chapel Hill, we used to joke that no matter what your opinion on women, "there's a feminism for that". As I said in the post, if your definition of feminism is one that acknowledges and values the unique contributions of women, then ignore the rest of my post. I fundamentally cannot see how you can believe that and continue to compare and argue about how men vs. women behave and are treated in society. Let's look at how people behave and are treated, without worrying about a meaningless comparison.

      To your second point, while I believe that functionalism provides some helpful metaphors for the discussion, I also don't believe it is the answer to our problems, for the reasons you pointed out. A heart may not want to be a heart, and should have the social mobility to become a lung or a foot if desired. I totally agree. My point is, gender usually gives you certain characteristics (in this case, let's say, valves and pumps) and so chances are if you have those characteristics you will WANT to be a heart, because you notice that you have the ability to fill that role well. And I think that's great. For those who feel they don't have valves or pumps, they probably won't want to be a heart - they will go with whatever part of the body that seems to fit them best.

      I think this point is incredibly important because in the effort to eliminate gender stereotypes/differences, we also downplay the existence of gender characteristics at all, and teach students to not acknowledge these traits. This results in a lot of heart-like and foot-like and eye-like organs who have no idea what they are, or what they could be good at. And however satisfied this might make us teachers, the research shows that this approach leads people to feel more DIRECTIONLESS and UNHAPPY than LIBERATED and EMPOWERED.

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  7. Her second critique is that we are not all pears, we are apples and oranges. She sets aside the gains feminism has made by imagining a pear wold - women's sufferage, working towards pay equality, etc. - quickly. I agree with lots of the stuff said here. Yes, the answer to the riddle of gender is likely not all nature or not all nurture, but somewhere in between (even that is subject to critique given anthropological research about the VAST VAST variation of gender roles in different societies all composed of genetically identical homo sapiens). And if we can't escape the categories of masculine/feminine, then yes, the most important thing IS to valuate each of those set of attributes equally, and - I would add - if that's the case, that we can't escape those categories, then to recognize that women can be masculine and men can be feminine and that's OK. However, she loses me at the end:

    "For example, because of differences in how men and women experience sexual arousal in the brain, it is generally easier for women to control their sex drives. If we think we're the same, we tend to get angry at men when they're distracted by scantily clad women. If you look at hormonal responses to danger, men tend to get a rush, whereas women feel nauseous; If we don't recognize this, men may think women are wusses because they are less prone to taking risks, and think of them as mentally weak. Different strengths and weaknesses are merely that: different. It is a feminist perspective that demands a hierarchy."

    First, as I've talked about over the course of the class, just as it's difficult to untangle the nature/nurture knot when it comes to gender, it's equally difficult to untangle the knot when it comes to sexuality. That is to say, the socialization process that makes men and women have different relationships between sex, love and intimacy or the more intimate knowledge and risks of the consequeneces of sex - babies that women have or the way in which women with "uncontrollable sex drives" have been stigmatized historically are all ALSO factors into why men and women have different relationships with their sex drives. Furthermore, if this is just biological difference - and thus it's "just the way it is" - they how CAN we justify making men control their sex drives, how can we get angry at a man for objectifying or raping a woman, how can we understand women who in fact DO like danger? Different strengths and weaknesses are just that, but this is a case where focusing on men and women makes those differences rise to the surface whereas if we just looked at men, we would find plenty of men who have no problem controlling their sex drives or not being distracted by lingerie and if we just looked at women, we would find plenty of women who like danger and sleeping around. Feminism is not trying to say oranges are better than apples, feminism simply wants to say that we are all fruit and we should all feel empowered to get our orange on if we so choose.

    Make no mistake, there IS an implicit criticism of masculine heterosexuality in feminism, the idea that the emotionally connected love making that women are thought to prefer is better, more natural, more healthy than the casual, objectifying sex that men are thought to prefer. When it comes to sexuality, feminism does have a problem with finding value or worth in the ways in which guys are thought to want to have sex.

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    1. Just because it is easier for men or women to do something doesn't mean it shouldn't be expected from both. Where I grew up in the Middle East, a raped woman was blamed for exposing herself and therefore the man could not be expected to control himself. That sucks. Understanding one another's feelings and mental processes has no bearing on the morality of their actions. Some people are much angrier than I am - assault is still illegal, regardless of which of us does it. Some people are more prone to alcoholism - driving drunk is still unacceptable.

      I never claimed that sex drive was entirely biological, as I repeatedly mentioned in the post - whether it's social or biological is unknown, and probably irrelevant. But if we knew that seeing scantily clad women made it harder for men to concentrate on other things, then maybe we would do them the kindness of covering our cleavage before business meetings. NOT because it carries some implicit condoning of immoral behavior toward women under ANY circumstance, but merely kindness and respect toward others. I recommend not drinking around alcoholics for the same reason.

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  8. Then she says feminism condemns men and women for the existence of gender stereotypes. This is not the case, but a common mistake. This is why feminist are thought of as "man haters" or why a homemaker/mom might go "I'm not a feminist" because she feels like according to them, she's "betrayed the cause." What feminism - at least sociological feminism - wants to do is simply to draw attention to these institutions and norms. Give people choice. It's not that you're masculine and that's a problem or you're a stay at home mom and that's just drinking the Kool-Aid, it's that masculinity and femininity are externally imposed systems upon us, that their constellations of physical, mental, and social attributes affects our own notion of self. If lives were products on the shelf, it's not that you SHOULD pick something other than stay at home mom, it's that you shouldn't feel that you HAVE to pick stay at home mom because people are watching. Feminism wants you to compare prices, shop around, see the pros and cons of each, and then, if you pick stay at home mom, hey, great for you! And this is an understanding that feminism has had to go through decades of debate and interventions to come to.

    However, like the last point, there IS some asymmetry going on here. There's some ambivalence as to just how much we like some masculine attributes. For example, let's think about hypermasculine spaces. The Army is a classic examples. Go to the barracks during Vietnam, you're likely to see lots of violence and aggression and lots of hierarchy, lots of female objectification and misogyny and homophobia. We would have called that "boys being boys," and maybe even talk about how it's through this culture that a brotherhood is formed, it's through that sexualization of women that men find a reason to throw themselves at death. This would be functionalist, the Army is a hypermasculine space because it needs to be. But now there are women in the Army. And women don't WANT a hypermasculine space, they want a space that is welcoming to them serving their country as well. And so the culture is being changed. There are similar discourses going on in sports - Football is too violent! Player X said this homophobic/misogynist thing in the locker room! There are similar discourses in video games, like with gamergate, the idea that it's a hypermasculine space of violence and misogyny and homophobia and now that women want to claim that space as well, it has to change. Or comic books, where the decades-long tradition of making heroines into buxom sex kittens running around in lingerie is also being challenged because now women are empowered to enjoy these things (military service, liking football, playing video games, reading comic books) traditionally seen as masculine. The point here is that when we did value masculinity a bit more than we do now, we let these hypermasculine spaces exist because there was an understood need for hypermasculinity (as in the case of the Army), or because it's simply the way it is (as in the case of the brotherhood of the locker room) or because market dynamics dictated it to be so (as in the case of video games and comic books to teenage boys). But now we WANT to pear-ify these worlds, to use the author's analogy, and so the question of "Do we as a society find value in masculine attributes like these?" is an open one.

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    1. What feminism tries to do, in the academic sense of the word, is very different from how it is implemented in society. I don't think feminists are all man haters - that's like saying every soccer team hates the opposing side. But just like feminists believe acknowledging differentiation inherently leads to inequality, I believe teaching how gender is "imposed" on us inherently leads to feelings of enmity.

      As you say, "masculinity and femininity are externally imposed systems upon us" - The problem we will never get around is that I just disagree. And there's really no way to prove the one or the other. Certainly women and men express different characteristics in different cultures. But many are the same, and I actually think many more characteristics would be the same if such social pressures were removed! As I said, for religious reasons I do believe that God has given us certain gifts specifically as women - and it's not that your gifts and mine aren't difference, but that they are both designed to help us fulfill the role of wife and mother, just as men are given gifts to help them become husbands and fathers, in addition to whatever else we all do with our lives.

      The question you post at the end about finding value in masculine characteristics is a good one. I think we can only answer that question by talking about men and manhood, without reference to its comparison to womanhood at all. My perception is that for men specifically, the positive characteristics of manhood start to disappear as they are increasingly compared to women. For example, artistry and poetry were once comfortably in the realm of men and women. Now they are seen as "girly" and so middle school boys avoid those subjects. If boys and girls are separated for their education, however, there is no comparison made, and therefore no stigma to avoid.

      By the same comparison, women shouldn't be looking at men's sexual habits or drinking habits and then mirroring them in an attempt to demonstrate their equality and empowerment. Bad habits empower no one.

      I don't know if hypermasculine spaces existed because we used to value masculinity per se - I would still say that our understanding and appreciation for both manhood and womanhood have always been lacking - but that improvement in those two domains is more likely when we focus on each domain as a separate one. This is why Dr. Leonard Sax argues so strongly for single-sex education in "Why Gender Matters".

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  9. So obviously my last two asides say a bit towards her fourth point, that feminism squashes the beauty and significance of womanhood. I think feminism's first point would be a technical one. That is to say, feminism would first say that all of us have unique perspectives on the world borne from our social context - that's the point of intersectionality theory, a badly needed intervention by non-White, non-middle class, non-Western women have done that the author seems to ignore. But secondly, feminism would ALSO say that BECAUSE of women's general position in the world - women are generally more oppressed then men just non-white people are generally more oppressed than white people - a female perspective IS unique in important ways. I don't want to oversell my point here, because the author does identify a tension within feminism. There IS some contradiction in the notion that gender is entirely a social construct and yet my possession of a vagina allows me access to certain truths about the world, but this is the same nature/nurture sticky wicket that we were caught in earlier and has no clear answer. (While I obviously would side more with nurture, especially compared to the author, I feel that when it comes to sex, gender, and sexuality, we are SO convinced on a societal level that these things are 99% biological/nature that I can argue against that for eternity and never get to a point where society will have erred too far on the side of nurture).

    Unlike the author, I DO think that we can think of things like gender and race as special AND irrelevant. These are categories, a set of attributes and dispositions that add up to stereotypes. Race as a concept was not natural. There were people with black skin and white skin but that didn't matter as compared to your wealth or religiosity until Western Imperialism needed a justification for why they could exploit and enslave other people. Thus, it is irrelevant, just a label we give power to when we see things through its lens. At that same time, even if it's just a paper tiger, it DOES have power, have meaning, have specialness in society - see the experiences of Trayvon, Obama, etc, to say nothing of larger effects. Similarly, gender as a concept was not natural. There were people with vaginas and people with penises, but that didn't matter compared to your social role. Part of that history of imperialism has to do with the Western world exporting these notions of "good women are domestic and clean and virginal" to other countries, to show that our gender roles demonstrated civilization advancement. Even today you'll find societies where due to a death in the family, women may spend their entire lives passing as men, dressing as men, acting like men, to fulfill the SOCIAL ROLE OF MASCULINITY. And vice versa. Point is, gender roles are different from genitals, and because we've created these gender roles - even allowing for the idea that women may like to be feminine and men may like to be masculine for whatever reasons - they are both irrelevant (we just made them up to organize society effectively) and special (our relation to them, how much we believe them or live them, how much we are aware of them deeply impacts the way in which we understand our reality and our world)

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  10. It's difficult, because when the author says a loss of clearly defined roles has led to "universal directionlessness," I do agree. Our loss of roles has left things unclear and less linear, which works great for some and not so great for others. But the genie is out of the bottle. No one is going to start socially policing people again, or at least not in this civilization. Postapocalypse, who knows. And this is why power is important and a functionalist perspective is inadequate. It's not like people WANT to be shepherded into boxes of "manly man provider" and "girly girl stay at home mom." Society has had to do WORK to keep people in those boxes. First setting up the stigma/norms that encourage people to get into the boxes and then doing the policing to keep them in the boxes. It's not like everyone was totally happy in their roles and then the Big Bad Feminism Monster came and said, "you can't do this anymore, you need to change around roles like musical chairs until I'm appeased!" It was social power that made and maintained the boxes, regardless of whether nature gave society cardboard and an instruction manual. And so today, if you got rid of the Big Bad Feminism Monster, it's not like everyone would go, "Whew! Now I can go back to fulfilling my preordained, natural role!" People like choice, even it people also like knowing their roles. That's the set up for LOTS of stuff, from Star Wars to World War II to GI Joe to the Matrix trilogy. One side says freedom and choice and individual rights are inviolable, the other says, "really, people just want to know their place, so we'll tell them their place, and they'll learn to love the certainty" Thus today you are free to choose whatever when it comes to sex and marriage and romance, but somehow, despite this anarchy, plenty of people still choose marriage, monogamy, and some semblance of gender roles in their household.

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    1. My last comment to your comment is this - your claim that social power made and maintained those boxes, and that "Society has to do WORK to keep people in those boxes" is a perspective. That's your way of interpreting the social facts as they exist, and that's fine. That's just not the social framework that I use. I see roles in society as an evolving process of changing attitudes, beliefs, and values, shared and adapted by millions of individuals, not as an abstract social "power" that influences our actions. My paradigm of choice is symbolic interactionism, not conflict theory. I'm glad we can end on this - I appreciate your insights. I wrote the post with this intent, to declare my position in regards to the framework of feminism as I perceive it, not to bash anyone else who chooses to use it (or anything similar).

      I think it's important that students recognize that when we teach about gender (or anything else) that we are teaching these through our frameworks as well - whether we discuss roles, or values, or power, or structure - and that there is no "unbiased" or "objective" way to discuss these things. My goal as a professor is to present the facts and provide as many theoretical explanations as possible so that students can choose what lens they want to use, AND so they are less likely to condemn others for choosing to a different lens. Civil discourse and an open exchange of ideas: If there is a competition is society, that is the one I most want to win

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